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Post by barney on Sept 10, 2006 13:26:23 GMT 7
Hello all, glad to be registered as part of the community, by the way, wanted to join the teh tarik session but ramesh sent me a message saying it was cancelled. Just wondering, has the boom gate issue been resolved? what did the developer say? Still the same o' "Local Authority Approval"?
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Post by Ramesh Ramoo on Sept 11, 2006 9:02:55 GMT 7
Hi Barney,
I am very sorry about the 'Teh Tarik' cancellation as the previous response was poor but as some already turn up since they didn't get the message on time so we just hang around on that day. About the boom date, the issue is still the same as what they mention earlier (MPSJ didn't approved it) but this coming meeting we will raise this issue again and ask them to provide the application letter that they have written to MPSJ and the copy of the rejected letter as well. We have checked this issue with MPSJ consoler and they said it is not an issue to get approval from them as it is not blocking the main road. The MPSJ consoler would like to attend the coming meeting but PNHD didn't agree with idea at this moment. Let see what the excuse in the coming meeting. Thanks
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Post by Ramesh Ramoo on Sept 15, 2006 12:09:28 GMT 7
Hi All,
I have sent out the resident list to update your address and phone numbers and I need to give this list to Mr.Mano as reference to contact in case of alarm goes off or any other reasons. Kindly update the list I sent over by e-mail to all of you. Thanks.
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Post by Ramesh Ramoo on Oct 16, 2006 13:59:51 GMT 7
Hi All,
The new guard house will be ready soon. ;DThanks.
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Post by Ramesh Ramoo on Oct 26, 2006 8:35:10 GMT 7
Hi All,
There is another break in our area. >:(It happens on the eve of the Depavali. If I am not mistaken the house number 92 but I am not sure which Jalan. ???According to the report given by the Chief guard, the suspect the contraction workers that is currently staying in the area and who is carrying out the renovation on the new houses. We need to be careful and let you neighbors know if you are going on long leave. When you pad lock your front gate, kindly place your pad lock in the inner part then the outer part as it obvious that you have left the house and it’s easy to break in as well. With the guard around is not 100% saver for our homes and that is why we need to take care each others homes on our own. Be nice and get to know your neighbors well as they are your guardian when you are nor around. ;D Thanks.
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Post by seanyuen on Oct 26, 2006 12:34:24 GMT 7
Hi all,
Does that house have an alarm system? How did they break-in?
Last Tuesday night (24th) at about 12am+, there were loud quarelling among some men, and then I saw a few indian men walking past the guard house with sticks in their hands. My friends who left from my house said that they saw a lorry and a satria parked in front of the guard house - not sure of the real situation. Anyone knows what was going on? I haven't asked the guard about it yet.
And something about the security guards. By right are they supposed to stop everyone entering the area and only allow those cars with stickers while those without they should get their details? But it's been too often that cars just drive through and they just need to raise their hands as a 'passport' to get through the guards. Furthermore, the guards wave back too as if the visitors are residents.
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Post by klshh1 on Oct 26, 2006 12:44:13 GMT 7
sad to see till now still has break-in... I wonder if there is any difference with alarm system installed... even that, our community fence is too low that anyone can just climb over... truly disappointing if we pay monthly security fee for gated community plus alarm system, and it still doesn't lower risk to minimal...
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Post by Harjeet Pannu on Oct 26, 2006 15:22:04 GMT 7
What extra precautions/improvements is Mr Mano taking? The angkat tangan issue does not seem to be resolving itself too. Do we need to man the guard house.....
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Post by asha on Oct 28, 2006 14:09:54 GMT 7
About the quarrel on the 24th well, my cousin who stays in bayu told me that the chief security said it was some family problem about a girl and her boyfriend and the family were chasing him around our Taman.
She came back late and saw the car and trailer parked at the guard house.The guard didnt say a word n let her in.Before entering her house her neighbour told that there's some people chasing a man.
I feel at least the guard should caution us of this kind of things before we enter.What if that guy was hiding in one of our house compound?
Hopefully things are better of in our Taman as there are more residents around in Bayu n Sutera.
Cheers..
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Post by henrykoh68 on Oct 30, 2006 9:01:03 GMT 7
I would like to share my observation. My in laws came, they are in their 60's , no pass required My sister came, no pass required. My friend came - pass required My sister's boyfriend came - pass required
Maybe the guards are o.k? If too strict also problem, too relax also problem. Maybe we need to agree on some rules for visitors / guards to follow. It be good if you all can observe & give feedback "the angkat tangan" practice, is it meant for all, or selectively based on risk assessment by the Guards. In my opinion, as long as they maintained curfew hours between 10pm-8am [stop & question] and selectively based on agreed parameters during the day, that should be sufficient.
On the break ins, I think as long as there are renovations in progress, unoccupied houses and low fencing, we will continue to hv the problems. BTW, I don't think the theft will go in by the main gate anyway.
Maybe Mr. Mano should give a brief report on the breaks in, how it happen, is there additional steps taken to minimize it in the future. Bottomline, if a lorry is used to clean up the house, then our security guards hv failed. But, if one theft managed to breaks in and stole some small items...thats another issue all together.
Just my thoughts.......
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Post by spiderman on Oct 31, 2006 17:25:58 GMT 7
Yeah, I agree wif Henry. We should give the guards some rules to follow. Curfew hours is an excellent idea. Having a boom gate will definitely help to slow down the traffic for the guards to inspect. And perform some random stop and questions for those without the car sticker. The rules should not be too strict I hope. I still want friends and relatives to vist me. A thing that I don't wish to see are rude guards. I hv been to a few condos in KL where the guards are so rude as if all visitors owe them money. So far, I'm seeing that our guards are quite friendly. This is a plus sign. ;D
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Post by Harjeet Pannu on Oct 31, 2006 20:37:15 GMT 7
Hmmm, I partly agree and partly disagree. Polite guards I want. Guards letting people in just because they are elderly and females I don't want. The most crooked people I know have one foot in their grave and I'm sure there are some women robbers. Too friendly also I don't want but don't want guards roughing people up physically.. I don't mind being stopped, being recognised and then waved in... Till the guards are able to confidently ID me I'd rather be stopped.. And lastly, unlike spiderman, there are some relatives I don't mind not being allowed to enter
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Post by sivabalank on Nov 1, 2006 13:58:18 GMT 7
The service we are getting is definitely not worth the money. I suggest we look into this matter seriously. We are not running a charity here by paying the guards to wave at every passerby. I have spotted guards sleeping on many occasions when I leave home at 5am. There was once the guard sitting, facing the opposition direction lifting his hand when I was driving pass, too lazy to even look at the car leaving the neighborhood.
Sorry I'm not keeping my self updated on the meeting outcome nor being able to attend any meeting so far due to the nature of my work, but I would like to suggest a few ideas for us to bring up on our next meeting. Really hope I can join the next one.
1) The payment should only start from the day the neighborhood is fully fenced and guarded. That means the new guard house should be ready and functional.
2) Barrier gate is definitely necessary, and cars without sticker should only be allowed to enter after the driver produce his IC to the guards & stating their destination. Inconvenient to some, but definitely worth it. The true meaning of secured neighborhood.
3) There should be 2 guards on duty night till dawn. They should take turns to watch the entrance and petrol the neighborhood, say every 1 or 2 hours. From what I notice, there is only one guard on duty and he is sleeping most of the time.
4) House running renovation work should not have foreign working staying overnight. Besides security reason, another potential problem is maids running away with one or getting close contact with them. Really sad to learn about the recent break-in.
5) There are bachelor houses in the our neighborhood which explains the annoying noise of motorbikes. I’m not sure how we could tackle this problem besides the security threat we face from them , but I guess as I suggested earlier, if guards were to petrol the neighborhood every 1-2 hours, it could make a big difference.
These are all basic services ‘Guarded Neighborhood’ should provide and is providing in others areas of Puchong. Don't see the reason why we should settle for a poor service. If we can't recieve service to our satisfactory, I suggest we push PNHD to change the guards or in the worth case, we rip-off the term 'Guarded Neighborhood' and the security of each house will be sole responsibility of the owner.
Comments please.
-Sivabalan Karuppannan
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Post by Harjeet Pannu on Nov 1, 2006 18:33:00 GMT 7
I like the lets get down to work tone, Mr Siva.
Gave a strong thought about all you said and agree with you 100%... We pay from our hard earned and we should receive for what we pay.
The guards need... correct that... MUST perform. I've seen them sleeping when I get home late too. A sleeping guard is not functional.
We need to meet soon, the more we wait the more we will not be taken seriously.
Tell me when Siva.
What do you think Ramesh?
Harjeet
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Post by sivabalank on Nov 2, 2006 12:49:42 GMT 7
Good that some of us are taking this seriously. Our ultimate goal is to make our neighborhood a safe place to live. I think the first step is to draft-out a set of rules all of us can agree. When I say 'all' it means all resident of Taman Tasik Prima and not just the committee members. It’s pointless to expect the guards to impose these sets of new rules when some of us find it very inconvenient. The trade-off of inconvenient should be well guarded neighborhood. Please bear in mind that Taman Tasik Prima is surrounded by ongoing housing projects with many Indonesian workers living meters away from our houses. I have listed down some action items for our initial draft. Lets do an offline brain storm for now before we meet to finalize. That could save us time. Hope everyone in this forum can contribute and give constructive comments.
1) We have to know our guards. We certainly don’t want ex-convict or drug-addicts to be guarding our neighborhood. Recent years cases of Security Guards raping young girls in Malaysia should be a good lesson for all of us. Mr. Mano, I suppose could provide details of all the guards working here. Would be good if he can update us regularly if any new person is assigned here. I think it’s not too much to ask him to also provide detail time-table of guards on duty. Besides, I think we have the right to know.
2) At any time, there should be 2 guards on duty. One to control incoming vehicle and another to patrol the neighborhood, every 1-2 hours.
3) The new guard house should be only open during rush hour to avoid congestion during this period of time and closed completely (no chance for anyone to climb over) during night. This can be revised later when the neighborhood is fully occupied. At all times, visitors should only use the existing guard house to enter and exit the neighborhood.
4) Barrier gate should be implemented at both the guard houses and should be closed all at times. Guards to control them manually allowing cars with stickers and registered personals only. This will give no chance for the guards to fall asleep.
5) Management should provide visitor car parks beside the entrance to allow visitor to register at their convenient not blocking other vehicle entering the neighborhood.
6) The frequency of guards patrolling the neighborhood should be increased during night. The management should provide facilities for the guards to do so. Eg. Motorbike or bicycle.
I urge all resident to withhold their security payment until we can come to an agreement with the management to provide all these basic services. Besides, all these services and many more I might have misses out is what makes the neighborhood save.
But before that, lets get the agreement from all the residents on the finalize rules. The best means of doing that could be sending out survey forms. Another possible solution is to have each row representative to collect the voices of other residents leaving on the same rows.
Ideas from me for a better living environment. Will appreciate your constructive comments.
-Sivabalan Karuppannan
Ramesh, Harjeet, lets meet on the 11 Nov. Enough time to get feedback from others.
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