Idea and Suggestion

[Ramesh Ramoo]

Hi Edwin,

I would like to join the 'walking our talk'. Just suggest the date (Not this weekend) and we will do it but need to be done before 1st August, 2008 as this will be the last date for all cars without stickers. Anyone else would like join the walk as well?

Name Suggested Date & Time H/P No.

1. Ramesh 26/7/2008 & 5:00pm onwards 012-2221552

P/S: Me running for the State Assemblyman will out of the picture as I am not interested in politics at all ;D. I am just another concern resident just like any one of you. Infact not even interested in the President post for the resident committee but we need people like you to stand and support and be part of the committee.



Regards,
Ramesh Ramoo,
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From: Edwin Ong [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: 14 July, 2008 1:38 AM
To: Sean Yuen
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Subject: Re: Taman Tasik Prima, Puchong - Idean & suggestion

Hey all,

First thing I want to highlight is; about half of the total emails we send out are bouncing back! Which only means such a small handful of people are aware of the discussions and awareness we are trying to bring about. Thus all the more I feel the need for more obvious notices/awareness/information, the blog or email is just not enough though we can still keep to emails to continue important discussions with interested parties.

Secondly, I understand the concerns of Dr Harjeet and Sean; but that's where first of all we responsible residents have to practise the "walking our talk" and make the first move. Only after we have carried out our responsibilities and part can we only push to see and make others do the same and not before. Let's lead by example.
At the end of the day; even after we have toiled and tried our best but still failed; at least we were a bunch though a small bunch of people who stood up for what is right and carried out our responsibilities as responsible residents & citizens. I will fail in peace knowing "at least I tried".

I have a suggestion; knowing that most people are quite 'kiasu' (even I am sometimes) that they respond only when they get back in-return some kinda reward immediately; how bout some kind of reward programme for paying their security fees? Some vouchers? Some packages? Something worth-while. Maybe we can work with the management on this?

Lastly, great work on the Notice Ramesh! Especially thanks for continuing the battle for the benefit of everyone else when most of the time it seems like a 1 man show.
Ever thought of running for State Assemblyman? = ) Maybe then people wont say "Who is Ramesh??" anymore...........

regards,
Edwin

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 11:47 PM, Sean Yuen <[e-mail]> wrote:
Hi Dr Harjeet,

I agree totally with you. I know this is the chicken and egg thing. But even with one guard, he should be working as he should. The guards
should be checking for the vehicles entering our Taman, not just a gate-opener. We should be paying security fees for Security Guards, not gate-openers... even other gate-openers too would do minimal checking.

All my frens and family laugh at our the attitude of our guards. There's no need to stop at the guards, the guards don't stop them. Just show the hand and drive through.

How can we be sure that the quality will improve when everyone has paid up? What are the penalties/actions if the everyone has paid up, and the guards are still like they are today, even with more people? Will it just mean more sleepers or gate-openers?

I see even a low-cost flat has guards that will stop walk-in visitors. Why is ours free-flow? Is the money we pay for security just taken by the developer for their own use, and a little portion of that is for the pension fund of these gate-openers?

Sean




On 7/13/08, Harjeet Singh <[e-mail]> wrote:
Will this improve our guards, ummmm I mean like quality wise.
I understand the economics of numbers but I find even the ones who man the gates just let everyone thru.
A doctor friend who wanted to view a house for rental just waltz thru and was chuckling at our security. My cousin came to switch on my house lights when I was not at home without being stopped, that too with me telling him that he would and would have to sign a book

On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:23 PM, RAMESH RAMOO <[e-mail]> wrote:
Hi All,

I totally agree with Edwin on the below. I hope others will come forward to feedback on the below or have any other suggestions?

Our last awareness program, I have printed the attached note of 500 copies and pass it on the guard to distribute and I am not sure the word has gone out.

Thanks.

Regards,
Ramesh Ramoo,

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From: Edwin Ong [mailto:[e-mail]]
Sent: 11 July, 2008 4:06 PM
To: RAMESH RAMOO
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Subject: Taman Tasik Prima, Puchong - Idean & suggestion

Hey residents of Taman Tasik Puchong Prima,

I was at the area of Kota Kemuning few days back visiting a friend who lives in a Taman in Kota Kemuning which had excellent security services. Just for your info, this is not the area of the million dollar houses. Something caught my attention and I took a picture of it. Please see picture attached.

I totally agree with what was written on the banner"-
- The neighbourhood enjoys valued security, the guards have to be paid
Good security:-
a) Enhances your property (sure does in this area!! from new price at RM350K-400K now going at half a mil & above! )
b) Allows you peace of mind (oh definitely man, the news the other day that 1 of my neighbors homes got broken into only caused me to be extra paranoid)
c) Is a watchful eye over your property and family (no comments needed)

May I suggest for the same kind of banner to be done and place at the frontage of our taman entrance? I or probably even Ramesh could get it done ourself but not first without getting some kinda positive response or a show of support (not just mere words), maybe some kind of small cash contribution? Any designers to offer their services in designing? any printers or know of any in this taman? anybody to offer to put it up?

So I'm not just talking all this without walking it, I have paid my security fees and all my cars has the stickers. So can we all walk the walk and talk the talk?

(not to be negative or mean but...) If every time our discussions falls on death ears I guess we just have to allow maybe a few more break ins? someone getting kidnapped? more crimes to happen to shake and wake some people up to realise how important the security is needed in this area.

--
Your fellow concern neighbor,
Edwin Ong
Mobile: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

[ppfoong]

Edwin,

I would like to join too.

As u mentioned, ppl are "kiasu". We also love face.

You have seen how the developer sell their units -- by putting a sticker to indicate a house is sold out. Perhaps they can do the same for fee collection, put up a board in their office, then use sticker to indicate which house has paid, which house hasn't.

This makes everything very transparent. Straight away the developer have a good idea about the status of payment collection, so do the guards, and so do the residents.

Regards,
P.P.Foong

[Ramesh Ramoo]

Hi All,

Below here for the 'walking our talk' so far.... Anyone else would like to join the walk ....

Date : 26/7/2008
Time : 5:00pm
Gathering Place : 13, Jalan Tasik Prima 3/1D

Name H/P No.

1. Ramesh 012-2221552
2. Edwin Ong 012-5120441
3. P.P.Foong 013-3528352
4. Henry Koh 019 6421646

P/S: It will be good evening walk .... and good for your health !!! ;D

[Leow]

i would like to join!

[Melvin Lim]

Dear all,


I would like to join the evening walk...May I bring my girl to join this activities? I stayed at Jalan 3/3...Kindly advise .



Kind regards,
Helen

[ngboonwah]

i will join the walk. my no is 012-3642578

[Ramesh Ramoo]

Hi Melvin,

Anyone is invited...you can bring anybody you want ... ;)Thanks.

Jul 17, 2008 16:06:53 GMT 7 @Melvin Lim said:

Dear all,


I would like to join the evening walk...May I bring my girl to join this activities? I stayed at Jalan 3/3...Kindly advise .



Kind regards,
Helen

[edwinong]

Hey everyone,

It is great to see tat there are a number of replies and support! Cools =)

The greater thing is that you are all taking the 'walking our talk' literally and organising a walk!! Speechless!

Ramesh, what are we gonna do on the 26/7 during the walk? I honestly was actually thinking more of a meeting to discuss our next step but looks like it went to the next level to having an evening walk, awesome!

I know I was the one that brought up the 'walking our talk' but on the 26/7 i will be in KK so unfortunately I can't participate. Can the date be changed? If changing the date is not possible than I will send a representative who is equally passionate, my dad =)

Keeping up the good fight ppl!

[ppfoong]

We can walk around our taman, say "hi" to our neighbour, get to know them and invite them to join the walk. Finally settle down in a place for discussion. The place of discussion can be the basketball half-court in the garden. Probably should invite the chief of guard to join the walk too.

When we see or hear a crowd is moving, normally we will feel curious and come out to have a look. Once come out, can introduce each other and get to know better. Once we know each other, is easier to spread around any message and come to unity.

Best time to start the walk will be before dinner (5.00pm) during Sat or Sun, where most of us are at home.

[Ramesh Ramoo]

Hi Edwin/All,

The whole idea is what P.P.Foong as mention. We will gather at one place which will at my place then literally walk to every home and mention to them that we are united to fulfill one agenda to make our home a better place and a save home. ;D

The Agenda will as below and suggestions are welcome. We will change the day from Saturday (26/7/2008) to Sunday (27/7/2008) since some of them are working on Saturday.

Agenda:-
1. Get to know your neighbors
2. Stickers for every car.
3. Do not litter around
4. Do not park the car in the Island area for easy access for some of us.
5. Do not park the car obstructing traffic flow
6. Keep the garden clean
7. Do not vandalize any public property. E,g. Items in the garden
8. ?

Below here for the 'walking our talk' so far.... Anyone else would like to join the walk ....

Date : 27/7/2008 (Sunday)
Time : 5:00pm
Gathering Place : 13, Jalan Tasik Prima 3/1D

Name H/P No.

1. Ramesh 012-2221552
2. Edwin Ong 012-5120441
3. P.P.Foong 013-3528352
4. Henry Koh 019 6421646
5. Leow 0123889628
5. Helen & Daughter
6. ?

Jul 18, 2008 1:02:17 GMT 7 edwinong said:

Hey everyone,

It is great to see tat there are a number of replies and support! Cools =)

The greater thing is that you are all taking the 'walking our talk' literally and organising a walk!! Speechless!

Ramesh, what are we gonna do on the 26/7 during the walk? I honestly was actually thinking more of a meeting to discuss our next step but looks like it went to the next level to having an evening walk, awesome!

I know I was the one that brought up the 'walking our talk' but on the 26/7 i will be in KK so unfortunately I can't participate. Can the date be changed? If changing the date is not possible than I will send a representative who is equally passionate, my dad =)

Keeping up the good fight ppl!

[Harjeet Pannu]

Unavailable. I'll see if wifey can join.....
Do bring mosquitoe coil for the discussion at the court or else everyone will get dengue.... LOL

[klshh1]

Yap, I should be able to join...

[jeeva]

Count me in as well.

[edwinong]

Can I suggest more agendas for discussion:-
Agenda:-
1. Get to know your neighbors
2. Stickers for every car.
3. Do not litter around
4. Do not park the car in the Island area for easy access for some of us.
5. Do not park the car obstructing traffic flow
6. Keep the garden clean
7. Do not vandalize any public property. E,g. Items in the garden
*8. Security fees & how to get others to pay up (not by force but making them want to pay up... package deals?)

[Ramesh Ramoo]

Hi,

I would like to thank the below who have join me for the evening walk. ;D

1. Helen, her husband Melvin and her kid.
2. Henry Koh
3. Sivabalan.

We didn't manage to inform all houses as some are not in and some just ignore us but we did manage to convey to 70% of the houses. . Also thanks to Helen and Melvin for the translation in some of the houses.